Wednesday, August 17, 2005

Observations On Disengagement

Disengagement has shown that political affiliation, whether left or right, makes little difference. Both right-wing and left-wing governments have done tremendous damage to rights of Jews living in Eretz Yisrael. While left-wing parties actively speak about dismantling Jewish settlements, right-wing governments have expelled more Jews from their homes than their left-wing counterparts.

Disengagement has shown that an Israeli government that does not hold Eretz Yisrael to be sacred, can potentially cede any part of Eretz Yisrael for reasons of "political expediency".

Israelis need to remember that if Jews do not have a right to live in Hevron, then they don't have a right to live in Tel Aviv.

The fundamental question that now must be addressed is, what gives the Jewish people a right to Eretz Yisrael?

How the Israeli government answers this question will determine the fate of the Jewish state.


At August 17, 2005 at 8:34:00 AM EDT, Blogger Cosmic X said...

As long as the connection to G-d is weak the conneciton to the land of Israel is also weak.

At August 17, 2005 at 9:31:00 AM EDT, Blogger yitz said...

We are like "one whose dead relative lies before" us. We are crying and crying over that fate of our brethren in Gush Katif and Northern Shomron.
But we know, that Hashem runs the world, and somehow, this, too, is ultimately for our good.
We hope that the pain we are now experiencing can be channelled into new opportunities to form spiritual alliances between all Jews in Eretz Yisrael! Hashem should help us all!

At August 17, 2005 at 12:01:00 PM EDT, Anonymous chabakuk elisha said...

Well said SJ, Cosmic-X & Yitz!
Although the pain is great, our focus must remain on G-d who continues to run the world for the best.

At August 17, 2005 at 12:56:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At August 17, 2005 at 1:35:00 PM EDT, Blogger PsychoToddler said...

It is a slippery slope.

The "right" to Israel can come from the following:

1. Biblical inheritance
2. Historical homeland
3. Rights of the victor
4. Humanitarian need (eg the Holocaust).

Probably all four come into play at any given time.

Israel is certainly unique in the history of nations in that it has to constantly justify its right to exist--even to itself!

At August 17, 2005 at 5:33:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

biblical inheritance that the only lame excuse you have amongst the other three?

At August 23, 2005 at 11:51:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Gartel said...

hey i just noticed this post. i dont want to anger anyone (chab...) but i would like to respond to psychotodler-

1- of course we have biblical heritage there, but remember Hashem Himself kicked us out?! we arent entitled to own the land at this point in time (although you can live there as an individual)

2- historical homeland--isnt this the same as "biblical inheritance"?

3- except the war shouldnt have been waged in the first place

4- that is typcial zionist propaganda. they think that without the state, we cannnot survive. well, we lived 2000 years without one! and Chazal say that if we violate the oaths, we will be R"L hunted like game in the field. perhaps it would be more humanitarian to not have a state. (yes i know chab its an old argument but it had to be said!) u need to know not to support such a thing bc we could R"L get into big trouble!

At August 25, 2005 at 10:48:00 AM EDT, Anonymous cha-ba-kuk elisha said...

Garty again!
Ok, we had this conversation already - but in case I wasn't able to get through to you, maybe this will:

Now, do you think we can give this debate a rest?

At August 25, 2005 at 1:49:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Gartel said...

of course i would like to give it a rest.

sigh. ive already seen that site. they distort a lot of things. why would you trust a site called "HIRHURIM"?! (further, why trust that over frumteens?!) one of there mistakes is that the Netziv ZTVK"L did not believe in masse aliyah but rather he felt it necessary to develop a yishuv there. big difference. theres probably a lot of other things, but i honestly am not in the level of chochma to get into a true debate nor am i in the mood to get into this.

At August 25, 2005 at 4:05:00 PM EDT, Anonymous chabakuk elisha said...

Hirhurim is not a bad word.
Have you ever heard of a Hirhur Teshuva?

At August 25, 2005 at 6:04:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Gartel said...

alright alright but a lot of the time, at least where i am, it usually refers to hirhurei aveirah which is inappropriate

thats not the ikur!


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